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Olu

if you feel optimistic about the web/online life, what makes you feel that way? technologies? people? policies? movements?

web/online/tech doomers dni my head is filled with doom lol (criticism isn't doom necessarily but I need answers)

please reshare!

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lee

@oluOnline i love this question! going to think about it and bookmark it and return :)

Gretchen Anderson

@oluOnline I have been online for a long time and continue to meet people and learn things I wouldn’t otherwise. While the percentage of annoying/terrible ppl has increased, the good/fun/interesting ppl are still here. Just scroll past the rest.

Batichi 🧿

@oluOnline Like the saying goes 'Look for the helpers'. It's taken a long while for me to realize how much I have to curate what I'm exposed to. But now that I have, the experience is drastically different.
I've always wanted the internet to be one giant library, and for me it is. My youtube is where I've learned to adult in ways my parents never taught me. Cleaning furniture, how to take care of my own hair, new ways to cook and lots of simple low cost recipes that work -

Batichi 🧿

@oluOnline I can experience a lot of folks doing art and crafts I've never had access to, like blacksmithing, leatherwork, traditional medias, sewing, and putting their own personal flair on things in ways I've never been exposed to.
But there is also human connection here I don't get anywhere else. Mental health resources are everywhere, people talking about their lived experiences and struggles have helped me come to terms with my own issues as I'm not alone, and not dismissive of them

Isabelle ☭🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈

@oluOnline I've seen a lot more people (including myself!) getting into personal sites as a form of expression and rejection of the idea that corporate sites/platforms have to define our online lives, and that makes me happy :--)

Nelson Chu Pavlosky

@oluOnline I think of it a little like climate justice. We need to rebuild the Internet, but that means we have an opportunity to build back better.

So far we haven't taken that opportunity, either with the climate crisis or e.g. generative AI threatening facts & human creativity. But tomorrow we could, there's still a chance that we could make things different in a good way.

:blobblocraccoon: 🏳️‍⚧️

@oluOnline it was built by nerds on anarchist principles. And so many of those same nerds are still working hard building and maintaining open source software. Just because capitalists got their grubby hands on it doesn't mean it is all bad, even i can be pessimistic abt it sometimes. But i look at places like Wikipedia and Mastodon and I know the capitalists can't erase the beautiful gift economy that made the web so profitable in the first place. When all their companies drown in the rising tides, the rank and file tech workers will still be bringing people together with mesh networks and satellites.

@oluOnline it was built by nerds on anarchist principles. And so many of those same nerds are still working hard building and maintaining open source software. Just because capitalists got their grubby hands on it doesn't mean it is all bad, even i can be pessimistic abt it sometimes. But i look at places like Wikipedia and Mastodon and I know the capitalists can't erase the beautiful gift economy that made the web so profitable in the first place. When all their companies drown in the rising tides,...

183231bcb

@oluOnline@social.gfsc.studio I transitioned in part because of the support I found online.

Morgan

@oluOnline people on TikTok explaining things about their communities to people in other communities, and their comments sections filled with "oh that's so cool!" or "oh, that explains X interaction I had!" and just being enthusiastic to learn about and empathize with each other

Dr Kim Foale

@oluOnline i think the things that make online life bad are capitalism, not online life itself. online life could be pretty sweet and i think despite the ~ everything ~ has prob done a ton to create some kind of messy imperfect access to knowledge. the q is if we can make good on it before making the planet uninhabitable. but also it maybe gives us the best chance to do that? idk

Dr Kim Foale

@oluOnline like i fundamentally dont think we are really equipped as a species to have this much access to information and communication and the consequences of this are currently understood like 1%, if that makes sense

Amelia

@oluOnline To me, the current state of the internet is a powerful demonstration of how much people want to connect with each other, on a deep level; so much so that we will put up with astounding amounts of BS in order to try.

Once we get clear, collectively, of the current limitations of the Not Good of the web, it's going to be amazing. We've had a taste of what planet-scale interconnection can be.

We're never going back.

GHOULE (New Music Out Friday!)

@oluOnline The #IndieWeb and #WebPunk culture (ad blockers, script blockers, non-intrusive websites, not using "big tech" sites) has made me more optimistic about the web recently.

fLaMEd

@oluOnline I feel optimistic as we’re creating our own spaces with like minded people across all types of skill levels to get together and chat about making websites together over at the Cafe 32bit.cafe

Each week we have new people jumping on, some with no experience who end up with their own website within a couple of weeks.

Small communities like ours make me optimistic for the web ☺️

annie

@oluOnline people. It’s always the people

Oblomov

@oluOnline beyond all enshittification efforts, the “good old web” lives on. It's very hard for web tech to actually die: even when it goes into disuse, there are corners of the internet that stick to it, keep it alive, and improve on it, and when the shitty platform of the decade will have passed, the strongholds of independence will still be there.

Chris Heber

@oblomov
I wonder how many Macintosh SEs are still being used as mail servers.
@oluOnline

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@oblomov@sociale.network @oluOnline@social.gfsc.studio yes indeed, while these things are far from mainstream there are rich communities thriving outside the corporate web, i'm on many cool and active IRC servers, there are numerous private torrent trackers with wholesome communities, there's the whole pubnix/tildeverse thing or MUDs or other cool niches if you're a serious nerd, and of course Fedi which is at a place that was hardly imaginable a decade ago.

These things aren't going away and will likely only grow as corporate platforms become worse and worse, there are other possibilities that haven't been explored, like self-hosting fedi instances or other services over tor, making things much more private and less dependent on Domain registrars and data centers.

This also opens up possibilities for grassroots political action like we once saw on twitter or facebook since we don't have to worry about corporate manipulation/censorship.

@oblomov@sociale.network @oluOnline@social.gfsc.studio yes indeed, while these things are far from mainstream there are rich communities thriving outside the corporate web, i'm on many cool and active IRC servers, there are numerous private torrent trackers with wholesome communities, there's the whole pubnix/tildeverse thing or MUDs or other cool niches if you're a serious nerd, and of course Fedi which is at a place that was hardly imaginable a decade ago.

These things aren't going away and will...

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