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GwenTheKween :verifiedtrans: :neofox_nom_verified:

@StephenTallentyre @0xabad1dea
> The number of people who house prejudice in plain sight, who actually exist and not only in their, is non-zero.

I don't know that they have to exist. At least not for long. Prejudice is built on not knowing the people you're prejudiced against, only knowing the Boogeyman stories and the scares. If someone is able to hold their prejudice in long enough to be in the community where those folks are welcome, they will learn that they're bigotry is based on lies and grow out of it.

I say because I was one of these people, grew up in a pretty bad environment and just by being silent around people that I didn't know, I learned enough to start becoming a better person

9 October at 10:04 | Wall-to-wall | Open on tech.lgbt
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Stephen G. Tallentyre

@GwenTheKween @0xabad1dea

Full disclosure: I have this problem where I perceive people as concealing their actual intentions in the event that that's not actually the case. I know exactly why that is, FWIW; we're not gonna go there. Anyway: that is a more optimistic way of looking at people, certainly. I also can't think of any reason why you're wrong about that. If I'm reading everything you just said as objectively as I'm able to, you're right. Thank you.

9 October at 10:22 | Open on infosec.exchange
Daniel Taylor

@GwenTheKween @StephenTallentyre @0xabad1dea some people follow that path and improve, others not so much.

I don't know how many of the people I've heard of who were "only saying slurs because they were drunk" are people who were genuinely trying to improve and slipped up, and how many were masking most of the time and couldn't maintain the mask when they were drunk/high/otherwise altered.

9 October at 11:14 | Open on infosec.exchange
BenAveling

I used to know someone who was insufferable when drunk because they knew ppl would say, that’s just the drink, and they took full advantage of that permission to be insufferable without consequences. @RandomDamage @GwenTheKween @0xabad1dea @StephenTallentyre

9 October at 11:29 | Open on mastodon.world
Jeff Grigg

@BenAveling @RandomDamage @GwenTheKween @0xabad1dea @StephenTallentyre

My father informed me that what the Navy says is ...

"Everything you do while drunk are things you wanted to do while sober. You will be held responsible for them."

.

Don't "give people a free pass" for "the alcohol made me do it. No, that's the real you -- when you're not hiding it.

9 October at 12:03 | Open on mastodon.social
GwenTheKween :verifiedtrans: :neofox_nom_verified:

@RandomDamage @StephenTallentyre @0xabad1dea yes, I'm not saying all people would be better, I just think that if someone is holding in prejudice to be in a welcoming place, they are likely gonna change just through exposure. I'll caveat by saying this is in the specific case where the person is in the environment by their own choice (like a livestream chat, as opposed to work)

About "only saying slurs because I was drunk", it depends on whether that's where the sentence ends or not (for me anyway). if they continue with something like "sorry, I'm trying to get over old habits but I apparently haven't progressed enough" (or something to that end) I'll be more likely to think they are saying the truth. If they end at "I was drunk" then it doesn't feel like they truly understand why that's bad and are just using drunkness as an excuse.

@RandomDamage @StephenTallentyre @0xabad1dea yes, I'm not saying all people would be better, I just think that if someone is holding in prejudice to be in a welcoming place, they are likely gonna change just through exposure. I'll caveat by saying this is in the specific case where the person is in the environment by their own choice (like a livestream chat, as opposed to work)

9 October at 11:30 | Open on tech.lgbt
Jeff Grigg

@GwenTheKween @StephenTallentyre @0xabad1dea

I think we all have our issues.

I think the big difference is ...
Some of us are working to improve ourselves. ❤️
But, ...
Some of us are not. 😢

...

And a fair number of those *not* working to improve themselves don't want to. And probably won't, even if encouraged. And those are the ones we just need to "weed out."

9 October at 12:07 | Open on mastodon.social
Mother Bones

@GwenTheKween @StephenTallentyre @0xabad1dea Prejudice is always a learned behavior and in a prejudiced society, most of us are unlearning our prejudices in adulthood. So the fact you could keep quiet about it until you learned better is still a big deal! 🎉

9 October at 12:10 | Open on mstdn.social
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