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Alex 🇺🇦 🏳️‍🌈

@salgood I want to see the version with four inner 90° angles.

Briala

@salgood And if you specify a particular non-Euclidian surface, they could also be straight sides, too. :)

Cal Alaera

@salgood Technically correct, the best kind of correct.

ፐኩኦፖጦኡᎅጠኦፕፕ

@bigfoot nice try, but a square has four *internal* right angles, with parallel opposite sides, among other properties 😉

Raven Luni

@salgood Those angles are only 90 degrees at an infintesimally small point where the line meets the curve so you could argue they dont exist

Erwin Rossen

@RavenLuni @salgood Well, that's the definition of an angle, right? An infinitesimal distance away, there is no angle anymore.

Raven Luni

@erwinrossen @salgood I always saw it as the intersection of 2 vcetors but I guess youre right

Connor Cadellin

@RavenLuni @erwinrossen @salgood i think this is drawn using a polar coordinate space rather than a Cartesian space. In a polar sense, the lines are all either moving longitudinally or laterally, so the 90 degree rule checks out.

Nafeon the Beaw

@RavenLuni @erwinrossen @salgood a square is also defined as the opposing lines have to be parallel. (As they are a subbody of a parallelogram)

Sammy - Prey :therian:

@NafiTheBear @RavenLuni @erwinrossen @salgood

Common definitions also include that the diagonals intersect at a set of right angles too.

alex

@erwinrossen @RavenLuni @salgood

More formally, the angle between two smooth curves at a point is defined to be the angle between the tangent lines at that point.

A bigger problem with the image is that when you talk about some figure made up of arcs, you should always measure your angles on the same side (inside or outside): really the shape shown has two 90 degree angles and two 270 degree angles.

sibear

@salgood
Yes, but do the diagonals cross in the middle?

tanavit

@sibear @salgood

There are four parameters : the small partial circle radius, the arc radius, the arc angle and the "side" length.
These parameters are constrained by three equations : the perimeter of the small partial circle, the length of the straight sides and the length of the arc.
Then there are an infinite number of solutions

Laux Myth (aka Martin)

@sibear @salgood
Middle as in centre?? A triangle has three centres so this has more. But good for a laugh.

Alice (Slut)

@lauxmyth out of curiosity how do you interpret the center of an object. I get that you are having a lark and talking about the lines that form the perimeter but really like curious

Michal Měchura

A good example of how all definitions leak.

Sylvain Drapeau

@lexiconista

Mathematically, a curved line is not a side, so this does not break the definition.

Sylvain Drapeau

@MxVerda

You mean if the plan was non-Euclidian?

Of course, it could work, probably!

It would kind of breaks the joke though.

"On a plane of a shape you can't even imagine, this is a square!" 😅

@lexiconista

Mx Verda

@axnxcamr @lexiconista

I played brass in middle school. The bell of a trombone is pretty easy ti imagine :p

Sylvain Drapeau

@MxVerda

Yes, but that's not the point.

Most people don't know about non-Euclidian geometry, I guess it would be beyond them to imagine a plane the shape of a trombone...

@lexiconista

Aboumael ⏚🔻🇺🇦 🇵🇸

@salgood
Il y a aussi le cas du triangle équilatéral avec trois angles droits.

#géométrie

I see Dud people!

@salgood And the Ancient Greeks scream in horror...

potpie

@BackFromTheDud @salgood

"αααααααααααααααα!"
Translation: "aaaaaaaaaaaaa!"

myrmepropagandist

@salgood

I'm saving this for the quadrilaterals unit. Although, I do think we define "sides" to be "straight lines" which has its own problems as an undefined term. Still I like this.

myrmepropagandist

@AlisonW @salgood

How do you know which side is the internal one?

myrmepropagandist

@AlisonW @salgood

But how do you define which side is the "inside" and which one is the "outside" ? How do we make that concept well defined?

Tyrion 🐧🏴‍☠️

@salgood

It's been way too long since school, but wasn't the definition also about the angles being inside the shape?

eri :floofMischief:

@salgood@socel.net guy who just discovered non-euclidian geometries for the first time

Amalgam

@salgood it’s like when I learned that you can make a triangle where the sum of the angles exceed 180 degrees if you draw it on a sphere. Non-euclidian geometry always blows my mind

Alexander Shendi

@salgood

Technically the two interior angles to the left are 270° (3*pi/2), not 90° (pi/2).

#nitpick #nitpick #amirite #knowitall

Alexander Shendi

@salgood

But maybe we could use this as a meme proof that:

270° = 90°

Gorilla

@salgood has his thinking cap on today spitting out HOT FIRE! 🔥🔥

Jon Quass

@salgood
Okay but now instead of using squares to indicate the right angles, they need to use the "square" itself

Morten Hilker-Skaaning

@salgood the polar coordinates actually form a square, right?

Teop Versant

@salgood The logic is amazing.... talk about thinking outside the box.

ʙᴇɴ ᴄᴏᴛᴛᴇяɪʟʟ

@salgood Vaguely remember having to work out the angle that the two straight lines intersect at in a maths lesson. Think it’s 42 degrees.

Kenneth

@salgood
Asks Genie: Make me square.

Not a very good proof of concept if you ask me...

Lupino

@salgood let me guess: American school education?

DD 🇱🇧🇵🇸

@salgood TIL that the Monopoly little guy is a cube.

jasger_

@salgood I really don't like what this image does to me it's so cursed

Anroth Elf

@salgood@socel.net Hrm... I don't think those are right angles. In all 4 cases, a straight line segment intersects an arc. The only place those intersections would be at 90 deg is infinitesimally close to the intersection. Which is to say, at the intersection itself. Which is to say, on the straight line itself. Which is to say, not an angle, at all.

Now, the tangents of the arcs through the intersection point would, indeed, form a right angle with the intersecting line segment. But with the arcs, themselves? Nope.

This has been an annoying Fediverse reply that takes a joke pedantically seriously. Carry on.

@salgood@socel.net Hrm... I don't think those are right angles. In all 4 cases, a straight line segment intersects an arc. The only place those intersections would be at 90 deg is infinitesimally close to the intersection. Which is to say, at the intersection itself. Which is to say, on the straight line itself. Which is to say, not an angle, at all.

Now, the tangents of the arcs through the intersection point would, indeed, form a right angle with the intersecting line segment. But with the arcs, themselves? Nope.

S★m V★rm★

@salgood @mistercharlie Good to see folks finally getting red pilled on the liberal geometry scam

the Lobdegg

@salgood technically it should be a parallelogram not just a generic shape, but using radial space the definition still holds so hats off to you! 💜💜💜

jn

@salgood the featherless biped of geometry

Alathea

@salgood Malicious compliance, geometry edition.

Von Xylofon

@salgood Those aren't right angles (at least in Euclidean space).

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