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 @Mux @afewbugs it's not about it being "for nerds" or not, it's simply less accessible because it's not The Default and it's not what people are already used to using There's always gonna be an uphill struggle in cases like these, and blaming people for not essentially gambling away their time for something unknown to them just reinforces the idea that Linux is for pretentious nerds 17 comments
@hazelnot People should not have to deal with new, confusing interfaces when they don't have the mental bandwidth to do so, but that applies equally to both. Linux is not special in that way. @MediaActivist @Mux @hazelnot that's a fascinating point that the boomer generation in particular seems to trust corporations more than the alternative, which feels a bit perverse. My Mum for example prefers to eat supermarket vegetables and won't eat vegetables from the local farm box scheme or even the neighbour's garden because "you don't know how they grew them"! They do seem to believe corporate stuff has to meet certain standards of safety or something @afewbugs @MediaActivist @Mux @hazelnot @afewbugs my father in law is older, and when someone from Grey Power showed him Ubuntu, he was a near instant convert! The things which appealed were the slowness of UX changes, and the fact that it ran pretty well on old hardware. @MediaActivist @Mux @hazelnot @afewbugs maybe I'm inured to it, but successive updates to my Windows 11 machine have caused only brief issues, unlike the irritations compounded by successive Android updates on my phone, which is steadily losing functionality (fingerprint login now disabled for some apps, return to home screen no longer works from recent apps view, ...) @Mux @afewbugs it's the difference between "well I got a new computer cause the old one broke and now I gotta get used to this" and "I'm gonna install a new OS from scratch" when most people are terrified by the prospect of installing an operating system at all There's a reason computer repair shops charge money to install Windows for you, cause most people can't do that @hazelnot The cost here is mostly in considering doing something new, which I get. This is not something to do when you don't have the time or spoons for it. That said, if your computer broke down and you have to get a new one with an unfamiliar interface anyway, that might be the perfect time to switch. @TerryBTwo @TerryBTwo @hazelnot @Mux @afewbugs That's the crux of it, sadly the "learning" bit was equally time consuming for the default, but has been forgotten (or was outsourced to a class somewhere). Basically, people don't change even if given a better alternative and switching is easy. There is a reason Google pays billions to be the default search engine in browsers (nobody bothers with alternatives). Shaming people will not motivated anyone, shaming companies for their practices on the other hand.  @hazelnot That almost sounds, like everyone, who used Windows for the very first time (!) just "could" use it from one second to the next, knew all available settings, and didn't have any kind of learning curve at all. I understand, that most Linux distros are not accessible for disabled persons and I really feel sorry for that! |
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@hazelnot
Neither is Microsoft's latest os, whatever that is. Every time I have to use one I'm completely confused because each version has a completely different interface.
Honestly Classic Gnome on Ubuntu would be so much more familiar to anyone who was there for the Win95/XP/Vista era than modern Windows interfaces.
People get used to what they're given. Don't underestimate people. They can learn a new interface pretty quickly. They have been doing so for decades.
@afewbugs
@hazelnot
Neither is Microsoft's latest os, whatever that is. Every time I have to use one I'm completely confused because each version has a completely different interface.
Honestly Classic Gnome on Ubuntu would be so much more familiar to anyone who was there for the Win95/XP/Vista era than modern Windows interfaces.