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Paul McGrane

@mathewi does Apple have a patent on the clever dead-keys system? Even if they did, it's been in use for well over 35 years.

option ⌥ e then e = é

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PetterOfCats

@pmcg @mathewi (edit: this is for Apple OS devices) you can also just press and hold the “e” and the entire optional accents appear.
(Edit: this works for nearly all characters on the keyboard to access alternate characters)

Nonya Bidniss 🥥🌴

@PetterOfCats @pmcg @mathewi I just tried this in Notepad and Word and all it did was produce an endless string of e's.
I use the Character Map, I always have it pinned to my taskbar.

PetterOfCats

@Nonya_Bidniss @pmcg "Character Map and Notepad", I can only assume you tried it on Windows. We were speaking of Apple devices. sorry for the confusion. I should have been more clear.

Nonya Bidniss 🥥🌴

@PetterOfCats @pmcg Ok, sorry. The original post was about Windows and I missed the bit where the discussion became about Apple. I see it now. 😏 p.s. Windows sucks

PetterOfCats

@Nonya_Bidniss @pmcg lol I agree. Thank you for pointing out. I’ve edited my post so it won’t confuse anyone (hopefully).

Paul McGrane

@PetterOfCats @Nonya_Bidniss yeah what I am talking about is the old-fashioned way like from Mac OS 7 (and well before that).

If you want to push and hold on it, that is the iPad way.

There are ways to toggle them in System Preferences … errrrrrrr System Systems.

sidereal

@pmcg @PetterOfCats @Nonya_Bidniss However, it still works in current versions of OSX.

Growing up as an Apple guy I've always been floored that Windows and Linux don't just do this. This is like a very basic functionality of computers.

Walter Tross

@PetterOfCats @pmcg @mathewi There's one place I know of where holding down a key repeats it instead of pulling up the alternate chars: the #Mac's Terminal. But dead-key accents still work.
#Windows completely lacking a decent way of accessing diacritics is just BS.

Paul McGrane

@waltertross @PetterOfCats @mathewi on MacOS it is a system setting where you can choose not to have it behave like an iPhone keyboard. Although in recent OS Settings app, I can't remember where it is.

Paul McGrane

@atzanteol @mathewi yeah similar. I use Linux sometimes but I am not familiar with that. Does it (probably does) rely on the windowing server?

Atz

@pmcg @mathewi

Yeah - there used to be an actual "compose" key on old Unix keyboards. But these days you tend to re-map something like "caps lock" to the compose key because "caps lock" is just useless.

Adrianna Pińska

@atzanteol @pmcg @mathewi There's a perfectly good useless key with four mysterious squares on it in between my ctrl and alt. :blobfoxdealwithitfingerguns:

artemist

@pmcg @mathewi IMO the easiest to understand method is the "compose key", where e.g. compose ' e turns into é. It's been around since 1983 but only really appeared on Unix and Linux

bhtooefr

@pmcg @mathewi http://andrewdunning.ca/Mac-Keyboard-Layouts-for-Windows/ is a thing (being a MSKLC-generated layout, though, it doesn’t have an ARM64 version, only x86, AMD64, and Itanium)

drukac

@pmcg @mathewi
1. Dead keys were invented on mechanical typewriters so I'm hoping nobody granted Apple a patent on it.

2. I have an iPad with Apple keyboard cover and I can't get dead key to work on it, at least not whilst English is the default language. It uses a more cumbersome system. Apple aren't infalible.

3. You can get dead key mechanics on Windows for various diacritics. It's been there since forever. Set your keyboard language to "United States (International)" and that's it.

@pmcg @mathewi
1. Dead keys were invented on mechanical typewriters so I'm hoping nobody granted Apple a patent on it.

2. I have an iPad with Apple keyboard cover and I can't get dead key to work on it, at least not whilst English is the default language. It uses a more cumbersome system. Apple aren't infalible.

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